Bespinben's coerced apology (and appeal)

[Bespinben]

That was before I had Dumb*** and before no damage could be done at spawn.

[bginch4949]

And to Warmonger's point about the first two people to post in here being complained about more, I disagree completely. There are more threads that have been created about Bespin than player in recent time. I regret erasing my thread I had before, which had a ridiculous amount of posts and support, and views.

If you didn't delete that, 1ce posted how afk pushing wouldn't be able to happen because you can't go "afk". So why shouldn't people just afk at there houses? And there was NO HARM DONE!!! TO ANYONE!

Bg bruddha, he pushed me in and took my prot iv d set that was brand new durability, along with other items I had and my XP levels. I posted a complaint, Ice decided it was my fault, and so I left it at the admins decision, even if it was against how I felt it should have been handled. If it was you, how would you have felt? His dumbass title was given to him for other reasons as well.

     I agree pushing you and taking your stuff was too far. But that isn't what he was banned for. He didn't kill mio, or steal her stuff.

[Paradox]

Okay Bes, I'll say this much. If you get unbanned, you will not get off free. You will have reprucssions, no doubt in my mind. You HAVE wronged the server and you deserve that. But on the other hand, you have had done good, I'll agree. You have built and whatnot. My questions are what follow:


1) Did you really learn your lessons during your time as a dumbass?:
2) If you did, why did you make a mockery of your ban appeal. You know this is serious, not a joke.:
3) Why would you even try to mess with an admin, even if it's something stupid and didn't do any damage, when you were already in trouble:
4) Why do you deserve to come back to the server. You said a few posts ago you don't, but it would be nice. (It would be nice if I got 1 million dollars. Doesn't mean I deserve it.):

[Anniiee]

I agree that Ben's appeal was not suitable when considering that his main audience is the admin team. This kind of satire would have been better in the "General Discussion" thread.


However, the initial reason for his ban seems inappropriate, regardless of his past crimes. We should be focusing on why he was banned in the first place because there has already been agreement and punishment placed on his crimes in the past (ie: "Dumbass" title).
The degree of the crime, "AFK-pushing," doesn't equal the degree of the highest form of punishment, The BanHammer, whether it was toward an admin or not.


At this moment, I think it's best to give him punishment based on his "AFK-pushing" and give a heed of warning to his satirical appeal. To find the post "insulting" or "disrespectful" is an opinion based on who's reading it. Also, his appeal wouldn't have been made it there hadn't been an irrational decision to ban him in the first place.
After the warning, however, Ben should not be excused from "disrespecting" the admin team in this similar manner.


And according to the Rules:

These are Admin Rules, to avoid abuse of power. Applied to Moderators as well.

[1] Bans require agreement. If no other Admin is online, the ban may be enacted, but must be reported to the other Admins, or the ban thread in our forum. If it is not agreed upon, then the ban will be lifted, and announced in the Forum Thread. This includes lifting a ban that has been appealed in a forum.

And again, focusing on the INITIAL reason of the ban (AFK-pushing), any possible objection to it should mean that the ban should be lifted.

[Warmonger_2]

Wow Anniiee Posted 
 
I agree with Anniiee on this one. And this again goes back to my motive for the dropping of Mio and Zombie from Admins. They have been making repetative missuse of their powers. If any of the mods banned a player because they were pushing the mod would the ban be warranted? Admin does not make you  Arceus . Powerful, but not  Arceus .
 
And to Vith. Would you please quit talking out of your butt? Every time you speak I feel like you are just talking to make as many people mad as possible. I really dont get your complaining about Ben as honestly everything that he did to you was your fault. I have NEVER been killed while I was away from my computer. You know why? I LOG OFF    I vote to have a 1 week mute on Vith for dissrespect to others. That is all.

[Paradox]

He's not appealing about the dumbass title thing, is he? No, he never mentions that in the OP from what I can find. So I'm throwing that out of this argument. And if he wishes to bring that up, I will personally say sorry but what's done is done. Sorry your title was not removed the instance your time was up. We are only human.


Ann, bans of this care are normally based on past crimes. We don't ban people of this stature over one things, it's over accumulation of acts. If he had only done this, I wouldn't vote for a ban. If he only trolled people, I wouldn't ban. If he only killed noobs I wouldn't ban. If he was disrespectful to admins I woudn't ban. But he did all of these things has he not? Why is it wrong for him receive punishment for this? You can respond and say "But all of those punishments should had been covered by his dumbass title! That was the point!" and I agree. Like I said, I don't care about AFK-pushing. I don't, I don't, I don't. And the fact that he was banned on that is stupid and like I said before, I would have voted to unban for it. But it's his disrespect and because of his past actions and that I would ban him now.


So what do we do? Vote in the admin meeting that we were wrong and he should be unbanned for that and then right away ban him for being an asshole to the admin team through his posts? It's a confusing situation, I'll give you that.

[Warmonger_2]

If he only killed noobs

Since when is killing noobs to even be CONSIDERED in any form of punishment  (cumulative or not...)

[Vithrus]

Wow Anniiee Posted 
 
I agree with Anniiee on this one. And this again goes back to my motive for the dropping of Mio and Zombie from Admins. They have been making repetative missuse of their powers. If any of the mods banned a player because they were pushing the mod would the ban be warranted? Admin does not make you  Arceus . Powerful, but not  Arceus .
 
And to Vith. Would you please quit talking out of your butt? Every time you speak I feel like you are just talking to make as many people mad as possible. I really dont get your complaining about Ben as honestly everything that he did to you was your fault. I have NEVER been killed while I was away from my computer. You know why? I LOG OFF    I vote to have a 1 week mute on Vith for dissrespect to others. That is all.

You want to explain how I'm disrespecting others? I'm bringing to light my opinions and views, and posting information I think pertinent to the case at hand. I think the only people that are getting mad is you and your friend Ben, whom you are defending. I think your disrespectful posts shed light on who's being disrespectful, and your volatile attitude of going back and forth on disrespecting the admins, then trying to support mods for promotion is not helping.

Everyone is entitled to post.

[Paradox]

If he only killed noobs

Since when is killing noobs to even be CONSIDERED in any form of punishment  (cumulative or not...)

It's the little things like that that are what hurt your case, not make them. Like I said, I wouldn't ban him for that. But he is known for killing noobs who will not give him anything in benefit. That's not good, it only makes you a worse person in an admin's eyes.

[Vithrus]

If he only killed noobs

Since when is killing noobs to even be CONSIDERED in any form of punishment  (cumulative or not...)

It's the little things like that that are what hurt your case, not make them. Like I said, I wouldn't ban him for that. But he is known for killing noobs who will not give him anything in benefit. That's not good, it only makes you a worse person in an admin's eyes.

Again, harassing and following others just for the purpose of "trolling" or annoying is, harassment. What's rule number one? I hope that this post doesn't make you mad, it's important to respect someone. Even if someone is not AFK, and he's pushing them around, constantly following them and killing them, I think it would constitute harassment. This would have to be decided on by the admins, which again, deserve respect and make the rules.

Edit: In respect for others, the admins, and you and Bespin, I've said what I wanted to say, and will leave the rest to the server.

[Warmonger_2]

"I have told him before NOT to afk push and he should know better then to push me of all people because i smite/kill/kick him for it, its fucking annoying." -Mio
 
That is the original reason for the ban. Mind you it was not a permaban. So the Admins are now allowed to ban for no legitimate reason and demand appologies and perfect behavior. What a great server this has become...
 
Now here this. I DO NOT HAVE ANY DISSRESPECT FOR THE ADMIN TEAM! But I cannot stand by when any admin continues to make bad decisions. Further more I cannot stand by while the rest of the admin team stands by/ignores the problems. In this I lose respect for the team as a hole. I am not trying to dissrespect, just voicing my loss of respect and reasoning.

[Anniiee]

Yes, Ben's appeal may have sounded "disrespectful," by the opinion of an X number of admins.
However, the initial ban was placed on "AFK-pushing," not "an accumulation of acts." Which is exactly what he appealed to.
His mediocre response was to a mediocre ban. Some room for warning should be acceptable.


At the very least, I believe that he should be given a chance to write a second ban appeal. An appeal to his ban by AFK-pushing (if not already repealed) and an appeal to his "disrespect" to the admins.

[Miosio]

First I would like to say that was very well written as it was disrespectful. And next I would very much enjoy to share a time line with you

Day before the admin meeting: I was sitting in a pokecenter watching the pokesever/doing other things and i notice bes afk push me so i warn him, I forgot how many times he did it before I told him I would kill him if he did not stop, So I either smited or killed him, I gave him one or two warnings before I did this. Im there and not afk and its just annoying and to keep doing it when i say stop is rude. When I did kill him he apologized and asked for his stuff back so I did return the items.

Admin meeting: We decided, its even in the post, that bes should get two more weeks because of the complains we have gotten for him, this was his last warning because we have given him so many.

THE SAME DAY, OR DAY AFTER THE ADMIN MEETING: I get pushed off reds house and I dont see anyone.
I get pushed standing infront of reds house and i turn around and its bes and he logs off, I send him mail and say "This is not how you get dumbass taken off" I fly to the top of reds house. He comes back and pushes me off AGAIN so I ban him, I gave him warnings and i was just irritated at this point. When Rigby gets on I told him I banned bes and why and he just says "ok"

I make the post with the conditions: I get an appeal that is (funny) disrespectful and shows that he does not give ONE shit if he ever comes back. I was NOT going to enforce the "pay 10 or build" rule all i wanted was a nice apology and I would have unbanned, thats all. This unstead I get this shit?

And para, it even says in the admin meeting post that we are extending the dumbass rank two more weeks so I was surprised to see an apology from you.

I am human and I agree with WAR that I have had made mistakes in my past, maybe over stepped my bounds but every admin on this team has and I try to better myself and not do shit without a reason like you have seen in this post. I am sorry that this has gotten this far and i read all of the comments in this thread and I STILL beilive what I did was correct. The two week extention was one of many warnings and chances we tried to give you and we told you that we wanted to see you on your best behavior, and you screwed it up, if you agree with me or not.

[Paradox]

At the very least, I believe that he should be given a chance to write a second ban appeal. An appeal to his ban by AFK-pushing (if not already repealed) and an appeal to his "disrespect" to the admins.

He has all the right in the world. This is probably the smartest thing anyone has said in his defense.

"I have told him before NOT to afk push and he should know better then to push me of all people because i smite/kill/kick him for it, its fucking annoying." -Mio
 
That is the original reason for the ban. Mind you it was not a permaban. So the Admins are now allowed to ban for no legitimate reason and demand appologies and perfect behavior. What a great server this has become...
 
Now here this. I DO NOT HAVE ANY DISSRESPECT FOR THE ADMIN TEAM! But I cannot stand by when any admin continues to make bad decisions. Further more I cannot stand by while the rest of the admin team stands by/ignores the problems. In this I lose respect for the team as a hole. I am not trying to dissrespect, just voicing my loss of respect and reasoning.

 


I never accused you of dissrespect. Only bes, which was clearly obvious. And I'm happy you're voicing your opinions. I'd love to hear any complaints you have about an admin, be it mio or be it me, I don't care. I truly want the best for the server. May I suggest making a complaint topic about any admin you deem unfit? I'm 100% serious. As long as it is created in an adult-like manner, I will read it and consider it. But if you act like a 2 year old, and I doubt you will, I will not consider it.

[Paradox]

And para, it even says in the admin meeting post that we are extending the dumbass rank two more weeks so I was surprised to see an apology from you.

There was a time between when we were suppose to take off the dumbass tag and when he extended it. It was only a short while, but even for that short of a time I would apologize. Unless I'm mistaken, I may be.